No Blood No Tears
    Subject: Ryu Seung-wan's No Blood No Tears
    Commentators: Equinox21 and Dragon Ma
    Date: 6/28/03



    Dragon Ma: I'm Dragon Ma and this is EQ

    Equinox21: Howdy

    Equinox21: ok... so... It is June 17th, 2003

    Dragon Ma: here comes the jazz music

    Equinox21: hehe, yes, I like the soundtrack :)

    Equinox21: This is the Korean version of No Blood No Tears.

    Equinox21: as far as I know, the American remake hasn't even started pre-production

    Equinox21: and I hope it never will.

    Dragon Ma: thank god

    Equinox21: ok, so what's worse... a remake or a bad dub?

    Equinox21: I'd rather have a remake and leave the original intact

    Dragon Ma: You can have a remake and still watch the original

    Dragon Ma: Gotta love those three goofballs

    Equinox21: the lead punk of the gang is a funny guy, Ryu Seong-beom

    Equinox21: he's in a few good movies that I've seen...

    Equinox21: including No Comment...

    Dragon Ma: And here we have the lovely Lee Hye Yeong

    Equinox21: ah yes

    Equinox21: and the shit she takes as a female taxi driver

    Dragon Ma: She's one tough bitch though

    Equinox21: I think that's part of what makes this such a fun movie... it's about women who take all this crap from these sleazeball guys and fight back

    Dragon Ma: It's her comeback film isn't it?

    Equinox21: yeah, until this one she hadn't done anything since '94

    Dragon Ma: Now he's done it

    Dragon Ma: That's gonna leave a mark

    Equinox21: boot to the head...

    Dragon Ma: ouch

    Dragon Ma: Geriatric thugs

    Equinox21: But the guy deserves it... it's just funny to see all these sleazy guys having all this stuff happen to them because they think they can push around the chicks

    Dragon Ma: Exactly

    Dragon Ma: I love these two old thugs though

    Equinox21: yeah :) And that they decide to take revenge on her for the shit that her husband did.

    Dragon Ma: They just want the money

    Equinox21: yeah, as all thugs in every Korean film...

    Equinox21: Generic Geriatric thugs :)

    Equinox21: but it's nice to see her give them a run for their money... one chick against two guys.

    Equinox21: even if she does get beat up pretty bad.

    Dragon Ma: Wasn't the silver haired guy in Sympathy for mr Vengeance

    Equinox21: I believe so... but I can't recall off hand.

    Equinox21: it's been a while since I watched that one.

    Dragon Ma: I like how the two old men act like a married couple

    Equinox21: yeah, I always got the impression that they were gay

    Dragon Ma: Except one's married

    Equinox21: but that doesn't mean anything :)

    Dragon Ma: Ahhh, the beautiful Soo-Jin

    Equinox21: and the accident that brings the two leads together

    Dragon Ma: Her boyfriend really is a bastard

    Equinox21: Jeong Jae-young! My favorite of the killers from Guns & Talks

    Equinox21: He's actually the reason I decided to get this movie.

    Equinox21: though, admittedly, he's a pretty bad dude in this one...

    Dragon Ma: yes, very bad

    Equinox21: not like the slick, kinda dim, sniper in G&T

    Dragon Ma: I love this karaoke song

    Equinox21: I read something somewhere that someone stated their observation that EVERY Korean film has a Karaoke scene... this one is no different :)

    Dragon Ma: I don't remember seeing one in JSA

    Equinox21: ok, well not EVERY Korean film :)

    Dragon Ma: she looks so good singing it

    Equinox21: she does

    Equinox21: When they had that 2 second flashback of what happened to a guy who backstabbed the boss, that completely reminds me of a Guy Ritchie flick

    Equinox21: Ryu Seong-beom again... the goofball leader.

    Equinox21: he has some terrific facial expressions.

    Dragon Ma: Man, she's really getting smacked around

    Equinox21: yeah... it's nice to see her get smacked around, because it makes the resolution that much more fulfilling.

    Dragon Ma: Just when you thought he was going to be a nice guy

    Equinox21: this shot coming up... where it's slow motion, then all of a sudden goes super fast forwardedÖ RIGHT out of a Guy Ritchie film. But, it just really adds a lot to the sceneÖ makes it a lot better than just a plain old little alley fight.

    Dragon Ma: Cool use of CGI

    Dragon Ma: He's drunk and he's kicking ass

    Equinox21: yeah

    Equinox21: I like how there's enough in slow motion to make it stylish, but not overdone.

    Equinox21: and the accident, yet again.

    Equinox21: I love how it sets the two characters up like that. Each gets their background story and they they meet... but it's all happening simultaneously.

    Dragon Ma: he won't be happy about this

    Dragon Ma: Mr. Badass, this guy rocks

    Equinox21: Yes, The Silent Man.

    Dragon Ma: He knows when to act though

    Equinox21: yes

    Equinox21: I believe he's the only actual martial artist involved in the film...

    Dragon Ma: Jesus

    Equinox21: and the boss is KGB.

    Dragon Ma: Never fuck with Mr. Badass

    Equinox21: KGB is played by Ku Shin...

    Dragon Ma: He looks really familiar

    Equinox21: he's been in a few movies... all very different. He was in Christmas in August

    Dragon Ma: was he in 2009

    Equinox21: yes, he was also in that.

    Equinox21: this gritty action flick, he's a criminal.

    Equinox21: a melodrama, he's the father of the main character

    Equinox21: 2009 he was the mentor of the main police officer character...

    Equinox21: all very different... '

    Dragon Ma: Here's that cop character again

    Equinox21: Yeah, it seems like every one of these movies has a gang and a cop closing in on them... just waiting for them to slip so he can bust them.

    Equinox21: a bit generic... but that's alright, it's still good.

    Dragon Ma: And he always has sage advice

    Dragon Ma: More old guys

    Equinox21: more geriatric gangsters

    Dragon Ma: These guys are pretty funny though

    Equinox21: that's part of what makes this so funny, too... just all these unlikely gangsters

    Equinox21: and instead of fighting against real gangsters, they play injured to get them in trouble! Classic! :)

    Equinox21: Chil-sun in this scene completely reminds me of Eric Tsang!

    Dragon Ma: Yeah, I never noticed that

    Equinox21: doesn't he a little bit? Especially when he walked in wearing his white suit... kinda like Eric in Infernal Affairs

    Dragon Ma: I love how they cut off the background noise while they're talking

    Equinox21: yeah, because she wouldn't stop talking :)

    Dragon Ma: If they knew who she was with, they'd soon change

    Equinox21: for women, they sure like to fight a lot.

    Dragon Ma: yeah, who would've guessed?

    Equinox21: so, there's already been some blood in this movie... the dude who just got his head bashed with a bottle.

    Equinox21: so, I ask you... WHY is this movie called No Blood No Tears?

    Dragon Ma: Maybe it's a reference to the fact that you can't have any blood without tears

    Equinox21: care to explain?

    Dragon Ma: I just meant if there's blood there's bound to be tears

    Equinox21: ah, ok :)

    Dragon Ma: Just what is this guy doing taking pictures?

    Dragon Ma: Soo-Jin half dressed, very nice

    Equinox21: extremely.

    Equinox21: now Dok-Bul proceeds to destroy the apartment... such a lovely caring boyfriend.

    Dragon Ma: I love that ring tone

    Dragon Ma: She keeps giving him the finger under the table

    Dragon Ma: Such happier times with Soo-Jin and her boyfriend

    Equinox21: it's also interesting how the abusive relationship seems very real in this.

    Equinox21: during the alley fight, as he was beating her up, and the bystanders tried to come to her aid, she still protected her boyfriend even though he was beating her.

    Dragon Ma: Interesting, isn't it?

    Equinox21: yeah

    Dragon Ma: Way to cop a feel pal

    Dragon Ma: And we're back to third rate gangsters

    Equinox21: Have you seen the Director's (Ryu Seung-wan) other flick, Die Bad?

    Dragon Ma: No, I haven't

    Dragon Ma: More half dressed Soo-Jin

    Equinox21: ok, me either... but I've heard mixed things about it... lots of peole loved it, and one person in particular (named after a guy in a rubber suit) just hated it.

    Dragon Ma: It was made with 65 million won

    Equinox21: Die Bad was?

    Dragon Ma: yeah

    Equinox21: Wow, that's like maybe $100K... not a lot at all.

    Dragon Ma: Low budget

    Equinox21: I just looked it up... thatís about $54K

    Equinox21: you couldn't hire a caterer for that much in the US...

    Dragon Ma: The guy just puked in her car

    Dragon Ma: lovely

    Equinox21: yeah, just shows more tension and BS that she has to put up with in her dead end job as a taxi driver

    Dragon Ma: This ain't no refined woman

    Dragon Ma: They're not fucking around now

    Equinox21: I just love gangsters like this... so hurting for money that they have to go and beat up female taxi drivers for their cash.

    Equinox21: The chicks just get beat left and right...

    Dragon Ma: Well, they tried the soft option, it didn't work

    Equinox21: kinda sad.

    Dragon Ma: I love bul-dok's ring tone

    Equinox21: and their little plan to steal the money... this entire scene plays out just as well as any high budget Hollywood flick or a Ritchie flick.

    Dragon Ma: It's funny, with her long flat hair, Soo-Jin looks like a homage to femme fatales

    Equinox21: it's even got that yellowish look to it like in Lock, Stock.

    Equinox21: and the dog fights like in Snatch.

    Equinox21: you were mentioning yesterday about the time aspect of this movie, did you mean how it jumps around a bit... as in; we saw the plan carried out BEFORE we see them planning it?

    Dragon Ma: I just meant how each character's background is fleshed out via the use of time

    Equinox21: not sure I follow you

    Equinox21: what do you mean the use of time?

    Dragon Ma: When Soo-Jin and Kyong-son meet via car crash

    Dragon Ma: it's cut to introducing Soo-Jin and her boyfriend

    Equinox21: right, right... and that happens a bit with the other characters too

    Dragon Ma: yeah

    Equinox21: but not to the extent that itís just the two female characters that are fleshed out that way.

    Dragon Ma: Those three goofballs again

    Dragon Ma: No, it's just used mostly to forward the plot

    Dragon Ma: And we're back to the scene at the very beginning

    Dragon Ma: He got shocked

    Dragon Ma: More cool music

    Dragon Ma: I have to get the soundtrack to this film

    Equinox21: yeah, this whole soundtrack is quite impressive... compared to some Korean movies.

    Dragon Ma: The look on those two goofballs face is classic

    Dragon Ma: This is great

    Equinox21: what's great?

    Dragon Ma: Watching those goofballs get a major ass kicking

    Equinox21: oh yes, by Silent Man.

    Dragon Ma: They've no hope

    Equinox21: none

    Dragon Ma: I love how the slowly moves in as they each get onto the ground

    Equinox21: The Silent Man is Jung Doo-hong

    Equinox21: he did all the martial arts choreography in Musa... that's an AMAZING film.

    Dragon Ma: but the fighting's happening off screen

    Equinox21: This movie really has a bit of everything. Car chases, good fights, good music, tough chicks...

    Dragon Ma: And now we come to the main event

    Dragon Ma: Mr. Badass Vs Bul-dok

    Equinox21: the only REAL all out ìmartial artsî fight in the movie.

    Equinox21: yeah, this is the one I donít like, it's simply edited way to Hollywood styleÖ all close up.

    Dragon Ma: I think it's great

    Dragon Ma: Yeah, I see what you mean

    Equinox21: too many cuts, you can't see what is going on.

    Equinox21: some of it is watchable, but overall it's just way too close up and way too choppy.

    Equinox21: I'd expect to see that in a Die Hard movie, not a well choreographed Korean movie, that has an ACTUAL Martial Artist involved in the fight

    Equinox21: But this really is the only bad part of the whole movie that I thought.

    Dragon Ma: It's more like an ass whoopin'

    Equinox21: yeah, true... not much of a fair fight

    Dragon Ma: Bul-dok knows what it feels like to be a bitch and get bitch slapped

    Equinox21: This is actually one of the few flicks that Jung Doo-hong actually acted in... he mostly does the stunt choreography in movies... lots of action flicks.

    Equinox21: he actually choreographed the great Pro Wrestling movie Foul King... if you haven't seen that one yet, get it.

    Equinox21: yeah, another movie that Jung Doo-hong choreographed the stunts for was Shiri... EVERYONE has seen that oneÖ so it's cool to see him in front of the camera doing some cool action.

    Dragon Ma: He's doing the same in Ryu Seung-Kwan's next film

    Equinox21: do you know what it's called?

    Dragon Ma: No, I haven't heard anything about it

    Equinox21: well, obviously you've heard SOMETHING about it :)

    Dragon Ma: In other words, I don't know what it's called or what the story's about etc

    Equinox21: ahh :)

    Dragon Ma: Mr. Badass, you should've killed him

    Equinox21: yeah, very brutal scene here.

    Dragon Ma: Geriatric gangsters again

    Dragon Ma: The goofballs get into a fight

    Dragon Ma: No MA here

    Dragon Ma: No more KGB

    Equinox21: Dok-bul has now crossed over into insanity... he's just on a killing spree.

    Equinox21: anyone who gets in his way.

    Dragon Ma: He's just pissed his girlfriend has sleeping with everyone

    Dragon Ma: He just survived a major ass whooping

    Dragon Ma: I'd be pissed too

    Equinox21: and his money is gone.

    Dragon Ma: exactly

    Equinox21: I'd be most pissed about the money.

    Dragon Ma: I think he's more pissed about his girlfriend betraying him

    Equinox21: you can always get a new girlfriend, and wounds heal... there might not be too many more situations where you get a duffle bag full of cash.

    Equinox21: just to have it walk away.

    Dragon Ma: But he really loves his girlfriend

    Dragon Ma: Goodbye Pretty boy

    Equinox21: a Fight Club shot there, with the camera shaking around

    Dragon Ma: yeah, never noticed that before

    Equinox21: and Dok-bul moves even more over the edge.

    Dragon Ma: He looks like he's been through hell

    Equinox21: yeah, pretty much.

    Equinox21: nice how he can laugh after all the crap he's been through... what with having just killed 3 people.

    Dragon Ma: Great bit of acting there from Jeon Do Yeong

    Dragon Ma: Now it all goes to hell

    Equinox21: I really feel they should have left the deleted scenes in for this particular part... it gives it a finale, instead of just cutting it off a bit.

    Equinox21: and great music

    Dragon Ma: Do you think Soo-Jin's paralysed because of the violence or because she still loves her boyfriend

    Equinox21: I think she was looking at him, fully expecting that to be the last time she'd ever see him.

    Dragon Ma: More great music

    Equinox21: the open shutter shot like that is really cool... with the sparks falling from the light being shot out.

    Equinox21: great stuff

    Equinox21: Poor Dok-bul... I ALMOST feel sorry for him.

    Dragon Ma: Then you realize he was a real bastard up until that point

    Equinox21: of course

    Dragon Ma: Catfight

    Equinox21: They should really save their strength... they'll need it for when Dok-bul shows up and kicks both their asses

    Dragon Ma: Kyong-son was just angry

    Dragon Ma: It was Soo-Jin that turned into a catfight

    Equinox21: I love that split screen showing Soo-jin recording the messages

    Dragon Ma: Yeah, I love that too

    Dragon Ma: She's a really good actress

    Equinox21: yeah

    Dragon Ma: They both are

    Equinox21: Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of either of their other movies...

    Dragon Ma: Man, Bul-dok looks pissed

    Equinox21: you would be too if you went through all that he did AND jumped off a 4 or 5 story building.

    Dragon Ma: I have to hand it to these women

    Dragon Ma: especially Lee Hye Yeong

    Equinox21: they do a BANG UP job. ;)

    Dragon Ma: Jesus

    Dragon Ma: I read they were wearing wetsuits to avoid bruises

    Equinox21: extremely stylish shots in this scene, the water falling, the slow mo, the camera angles... it's great.

    Equinox21: and the music... such beautiful music over such a brutal scene.

    Dragon Ma: have you noticed how Bul-dok only slaps his girlfriend

    Equinox21: wow... I didn't notice that... good catch.

    Dragon Ma: He actually punches Kyong-son

    Equinox21: he punches Kyung-seon

    Equinox21: but only slaps Soo-jin...

    Dragon Ma: So he still loves her in his own twisted way

    Equinox21: yeah, true... good call.

    Dragon Ma: ouch, key to the throat

    Equinox21: and a key to the Jugular will end it pretty quick.

    Dragon Ma: I read that both actresses wore diving suits to prevent injury while fighting

    Equinox21: I can imagine.

    Equinox21: they got thrown around pretty nastily.

    Dragon Ma: The director didn't think it was intense enough so he added water

    Equinox21: I really think Jeong Jae-young is a great actor... if you look at his face when he was talking to Soo-jin at the end...

    Equinox21: really touching, even though he's an abusive asshole.

    Dragon Ma: yeah, it was quite sad really

    Equinox21: it really was. Itís amazing that the director can make you feel sorry for such a bad guy.

    Dragon Ma: But it was too late for him to redeem himself

    Equinox21: of course.

    Dragon Ma: If that doesn't stop Bul-dok, nothing will

    Dragon Ma: And the three goofballs score a touchdown

    Dragon Ma: Kyong-son's too weak too fight back

    Equinox21: so is there actually any money in the bag or is it all in the car in the glove compartment?

    Dragon Ma: I think some of it was left in the car the rest was in the bag

    Equinox21: but not all?

    Dragon Ma: Even after all that, Soo-jin still felt something for Bul-Dok

    Equinox21: yeah, I wonder what they'll do with that in the remake, and if all the anti-domestic abuse people will be up in arms at a display of compassion for a guy who beats his girlfriend.

    Dragon Ma: In the deleted scenes it shows you what happens to the rest of the money

    Dragon Ma: The look on the guy's face says it all

    Equinox21: oh, that's rightÖ I forgot

    Dragon Ma: They'll most likely cut down the violence in the remake so that it's not so bad

    Equinox21: so, this is the end... what do you give this one out of 10?

    Equinox21: I gave it an 8/10 in my review.

    Equinox21: Watching it again, I'd almost go higher...

    Dragon Ma: I'd give it a 9/10

    Equinox21: great movie.

    Equinox21: any closing thoughts?

    Equinox21: tough chicks get their just desserts.

    Dragon Ma: It really is a great little film. It's not high art but it's entertaining

    Equinox21: very entertaining, and very stylish.

    Dragon Ma: The remake won't have as nearly as much violence

    Dragon Ma: It'll never get past the MPAA

    Equinox21: true.

    Equinox21: I like how the style keeps up through the whole film... too many stylish movies I see have a really stylish opening act, and then it just turns into a normal movie. This one keeps up the style through the entire thing.

    Dragon Ma: But I have to give it up to those two actresses

    Dragon Ma: Such a stellar job

    Equinox21: absolutely.

    Equinox21: alright... thanks for reading our commentary for No Blood No Tears.